Post by authorgonal on Jan 10, 2013 17:40:33 GMT
Time and Space by Authorgonal
Time
Conventionally, time progresses in one direction. Again conventionally, for us (or anything) to travel in the opposite direction appears to mean “back to the past”. This idea of “back to the past” implies a negative time value.
What if this is wrong and the reality is that time is an action within another spatial dimension(s)? This would mean that time in either direction was always positive. In the same way, 2 cars passing in opposite directions, on a straight road, both progress positively. Of course if we were to use mathematics to express the relative the positions of each car from the point of view of progress toward a single destination then we would have to deploy the idea of a negative value. That is, one car would be heading away from the objective and its progress toward that destination would be negative. Note however that the distance between cars is positive and the distance each car travels is positive.
The label ‘negative’ or ‘positive’ then is dependent on the car you are travelling in. It is dependent on the observer. From a stationary position between the cars, both would be judged to be positive and neither judged “special” and to take precedence over the other. It is only when we sit in one particular car that we judge the other as heading in a negative direction.
Time may be like the car’s progress. Let’s say the universe (as we know it) is a car. It is heading along a spatial dimension and we sit within. An outside observer would note our particular direction of progress but not agree that there is anything ‘special ‘ about it except from our particular circumstance. They would judge our time as positive. Now let’s say the observer outside (the universe as we know it) notes a positron passing in the opposite direction to our own personal progress in time.
Apparently the conventional view of time is that it has a constant direction or (depending on the model) a direction that can be contained always within 180 degrees. We can identify another circumstance where positive time can point in any direction later in this discussion.
The observer would view the positron’s progress in time as positive and not assign a negative value except as a mathematical relationship one to the other where it would be necessary to deploy a negative value. Neither the positron nor the ‘universe as we know it’ have unique claim to a positive sign other than to describe their relative spatial positions.
THIS MEANS THERE IS NO ABILITY TO RETURN “BACK TO THE PAST” FOR THE POSITRON OR THE UNIVERSE (AS WE KNOW IT): BOTH CONTINUE FORWARD IRRESPECTIVE OF DIRECTION
There are some massive consequences.
• A future already exists.
A positron TRACK is detected in a particle accelerator. Clearly from the point of view of the positron the track it leaves is its history. We detect the track left. To illustrate with the car analogy again, the positron is the car heading along a muddy track in the opposite direction to ourselves. As we drive along we can clearly see the positron track but NOT the positron itself; only its affects and history.
• There is no time paradox
As we move forward into the future then we do not see the positron actually existing in our now, we simply see its tracks. Clearly the positron is not there in its own past. As a result of its passing, and therefore absence, it is not possible to destroy/alter/affect it. We can happily rub out some of the track but that does not mean the remaining track ceases to exist.
Our progress in our own time direction is the same. The tracks of our history exist in the past but not our-selves. The paradox of killing our Grandfather does not exist.
• Our “NOW”, the “NOWS” of the universe are the only actionable places were things can change.
The implication is that both the tracks of the positron – its history and our future simply exist without any progress/movement/action. Existence has then a ‘static future and a static past’. Our NOW is like a wave on water altering the arrangement of flotsam as it passes. Our NOW allows action and change.
• There are many NOWS
Positrons are detected by particle accelerators as we move forward in time, continually.
Each positron has a NOW (an ability to cause action). Would it not be reasonable to assume that – in our time direction also- there are many NOWS?
• Everything has its own NOW
Time then is unique to each item, each identifiable object. Both as an individual particle(s) and as composite objects e.g. electron, atom, molecule, cell, frog, pond, planet, galaxy, and universe. Time, like distance, is any size (duration) for any object (consistent with the laws of nature as approximated by ‘Physics’).
• Each identifiable object or composite will have different time spans
Minute differences for the small perhaps but in the case of a comparison of time for a Galaxy and the time for the universe there will be identifiable differences simply because galaxies do travel through space (not by spatial expansion but by actual movement in space). Einstein’s Relativity provides the explanation via time dilation/speed through space. We are all separate in space. The ‘timeless’ stuff of the universe is revealed by light but known as ‘C’. That we are separate means that light takes time to travel between us. Therefore NOTHING can have exactly the same clock and NOW as each of us (unless we make up a new composite whole)
• History joins the dots of time.
If we all have different (although often smidgen) time difference what is it that links us together in a consistent whole? It is the history/future that we exist within. The universe is a NOW travelling through its own future (but redefining it via action which becomes a new or amended history) and laying down its own history. Similarly the parts within.
Space
We have explored the nature of time and looked at some consequences. The import of our thoughts have however much more depth than that looked at so far. The above is a fairly simple thought experiment that I feel has obvious merit. What follows is an extension that is worth looking at and examining.
One obvious thought is “Could the universe NOW (and its parts) repeat?” That is, could your life recur but within the previously amended universe? Repeating NOWS! Perhaps at the end of these notes an answer might be indicated. However, this thought may well be disturbing to some of us as theoretically history/future may get amended in a way that eliminated us!! Better behave!
But, to continue…
So enter the BIG BANG universe. The universe begins expansion. That is, space itself begins and distance is born and increases in harmony with a time process. As previously, let’s assume that time is a process acting within a 4 dimensional space.
The ‘4 dimensional space’, like 3 dimensional space, has no dimension that is unique in character one from another. All directions have equal value and quality. Within this embedding 4 dimensional space (real or otherwise) the Big Bang (BB) occurs. The universe expands in all 4 dimensions.
It is reasonable to expect the expansion to be spherical in nature. We know that Groups of gravitationally bound galaxies are moving away from each other and this shows that the universe is expanding. We cannot visualise a 4d expansion but we can visualise a 3d expansion to get an idea – a reasonable analogy. This would be the inflation of a balloon where the dots on the surface represent galactic groups. As the balloon inflates the dots (galactic groups) separate with the expansion.
Note that as the dots separate they do not move, except radially. They do not travel on the balloon surface across that surface. The 2 dimensional surface (2d) represents 3d space. The balloon exists in 3d space and this represents 4d embedding space of our proposed reality.
The ‘picture’ then is of a sphere (a ball surface) representing our 3d space expanding radially in 4d space. The radius is of special interest because the sphere is NOW. The future is of a greater radius and the past is of a smaller radius. Within the sphere then is a historical record unchanging except in the presence of a NOW. Except that, without the NOW, there is nothing there but ‘history’.
It seems obvious to characterise radial expansion with the passage of time itself. In embedding space there is no identified unique dimension acting as time. In fact time is acting in all directions depending on your position on the sphere. See below
A <<<<<< > >>>>> B
AB is a radius through the origin of the Big Bang expanding as indicated. This applies to any orientation of the radius. Note an object at A travelling radially in time, heads in a direction opposite to B. It is only in a mathematical and relative sense that A and B can be allocated a positive or a negative sign for time. If you existed at B then A would appear to be moving backward in time. And Vice Virsa. A particle at B would call A an anti-particle (and Vice Virsa a particle at A would call B an anti-particle). E.g. Electron and Positron.
This is just an illustration of our previous discussion in describing time as a process rather than a special dimension.
TBC
Time
Conventionally, time progresses in one direction. Again conventionally, for us (or anything) to travel in the opposite direction appears to mean “back to the past”. This idea of “back to the past” implies a negative time value.
What if this is wrong and the reality is that time is an action within another spatial dimension(s)? This would mean that time in either direction was always positive. In the same way, 2 cars passing in opposite directions, on a straight road, both progress positively. Of course if we were to use mathematics to express the relative the positions of each car from the point of view of progress toward a single destination then we would have to deploy the idea of a negative value. That is, one car would be heading away from the objective and its progress toward that destination would be negative. Note however that the distance between cars is positive and the distance each car travels is positive.
The label ‘negative’ or ‘positive’ then is dependent on the car you are travelling in. It is dependent on the observer. From a stationary position between the cars, both would be judged to be positive and neither judged “special” and to take precedence over the other. It is only when we sit in one particular car that we judge the other as heading in a negative direction.
Time may be like the car’s progress. Let’s say the universe (as we know it) is a car. It is heading along a spatial dimension and we sit within. An outside observer would note our particular direction of progress but not agree that there is anything ‘special ‘ about it except from our particular circumstance. They would judge our time as positive. Now let’s say the observer outside (the universe as we know it) notes a positron passing in the opposite direction to our own personal progress in time.
Apparently the conventional view of time is that it has a constant direction or (depending on the model) a direction that can be contained always within 180 degrees. We can identify another circumstance where positive time can point in any direction later in this discussion.
The observer would view the positron’s progress in time as positive and not assign a negative value except as a mathematical relationship one to the other where it would be necessary to deploy a negative value. Neither the positron nor the ‘universe as we know it’ have unique claim to a positive sign other than to describe their relative spatial positions.
THIS MEANS THERE IS NO ABILITY TO RETURN “BACK TO THE PAST” FOR THE POSITRON OR THE UNIVERSE (AS WE KNOW IT): BOTH CONTINUE FORWARD IRRESPECTIVE OF DIRECTION
There are some massive consequences.
• A future already exists.
A positron TRACK is detected in a particle accelerator. Clearly from the point of view of the positron the track it leaves is its history. We detect the track left. To illustrate with the car analogy again, the positron is the car heading along a muddy track in the opposite direction to ourselves. As we drive along we can clearly see the positron track but NOT the positron itself; only its affects and history.
• There is no time paradox
As we move forward into the future then we do not see the positron actually existing in our now, we simply see its tracks. Clearly the positron is not there in its own past. As a result of its passing, and therefore absence, it is not possible to destroy/alter/affect it. We can happily rub out some of the track but that does not mean the remaining track ceases to exist.
Our progress in our own time direction is the same. The tracks of our history exist in the past but not our-selves. The paradox of killing our Grandfather does not exist.
• Our “NOW”, the “NOWS” of the universe are the only actionable places were things can change.
The implication is that both the tracks of the positron – its history and our future simply exist without any progress/movement/action. Existence has then a ‘static future and a static past’. Our NOW is like a wave on water altering the arrangement of flotsam as it passes. Our NOW allows action and change.
• There are many NOWS
Positrons are detected by particle accelerators as we move forward in time, continually.
Each positron has a NOW (an ability to cause action). Would it not be reasonable to assume that – in our time direction also- there are many NOWS?
• Everything has its own NOW
Time then is unique to each item, each identifiable object. Both as an individual particle(s) and as composite objects e.g. electron, atom, molecule, cell, frog, pond, planet, galaxy, and universe. Time, like distance, is any size (duration) for any object (consistent with the laws of nature as approximated by ‘Physics’).
• Each identifiable object or composite will have different time spans
Minute differences for the small perhaps but in the case of a comparison of time for a Galaxy and the time for the universe there will be identifiable differences simply because galaxies do travel through space (not by spatial expansion but by actual movement in space). Einstein’s Relativity provides the explanation via time dilation/speed through space. We are all separate in space. The ‘timeless’ stuff of the universe is revealed by light but known as ‘C’. That we are separate means that light takes time to travel between us. Therefore NOTHING can have exactly the same clock and NOW as each of us (unless we make up a new composite whole)
• History joins the dots of time.
If we all have different (although often smidgen) time difference what is it that links us together in a consistent whole? It is the history/future that we exist within. The universe is a NOW travelling through its own future (but redefining it via action which becomes a new or amended history) and laying down its own history. Similarly the parts within.
Space
We have explored the nature of time and looked at some consequences. The import of our thoughts have however much more depth than that looked at so far. The above is a fairly simple thought experiment that I feel has obvious merit. What follows is an extension that is worth looking at and examining.
One obvious thought is “Could the universe NOW (and its parts) repeat?” That is, could your life recur but within the previously amended universe? Repeating NOWS! Perhaps at the end of these notes an answer might be indicated. However, this thought may well be disturbing to some of us as theoretically history/future may get amended in a way that eliminated us!! Better behave!
But, to continue…
So enter the BIG BANG universe. The universe begins expansion. That is, space itself begins and distance is born and increases in harmony with a time process. As previously, let’s assume that time is a process acting within a 4 dimensional space.
The ‘4 dimensional space’, like 3 dimensional space, has no dimension that is unique in character one from another. All directions have equal value and quality. Within this embedding 4 dimensional space (real or otherwise) the Big Bang (BB) occurs. The universe expands in all 4 dimensions.
It is reasonable to expect the expansion to be spherical in nature. We know that Groups of gravitationally bound galaxies are moving away from each other and this shows that the universe is expanding. We cannot visualise a 4d expansion but we can visualise a 3d expansion to get an idea – a reasonable analogy. This would be the inflation of a balloon where the dots on the surface represent galactic groups. As the balloon inflates the dots (galactic groups) separate with the expansion.
Note that as the dots separate they do not move, except radially. They do not travel on the balloon surface across that surface. The 2 dimensional surface (2d) represents 3d space. The balloon exists in 3d space and this represents 4d embedding space of our proposed reality.
The ‘picture’ then is of a sphere (a ball surface) representing our 3d space expanding radially in 4d space. The radius is of special interest because the sphere is NOW. The future is of a greater radius and the past is of a smaller radius. Within the sphere then is a historical record unchanging except in the presence of a NOW. Except that, without the NOW, there is nothing there but ‘history’.
It seems obvious to characterise radial expansion with the passage of time itself. In embedding space there is no identified unique dimension acting as time. In fact time is acting in all directions depending on your position on the sphere. See below
A <<<<<< > >>>>> B
AB is a radius through the origin of the Big Bang expanding as indicated. This applies to any orientation of the radius. Note an object at A travelling radially in time, heads in a direction opposite to B. It is only in a mathematical and relative sense that A and B can be allocated a positive or a negative sign for time. If you existed at B then A would appear to be moving backward in time. And Vice Virsa. A particle at B would call A an anti-particle (and Vice Virsa a particle at A would call B an anti-particle). E.g. Electron and Positron.
This is just an illustration of our previous discussion in describing time as a process rather than a special dimension.
TBC